I think Angry Metal Guy said it best when he reviewed one infamous, little record back in 2012. Sometimes the hype is just too much for any one album to endure. And, sure enough, the hype was too much for Time I. Now, don’t get me wrong. Wintersun‘s Time I isn’t bad, and by no means is it a flop. But, all the talk, the delays, the anticipation (not just for one album, but two) even had die-hard fans exhausted when it finally arrived. Still, Time was a convincing piece of symphonic melodeath that still pleased (most) of their fans and created scores more. But, after its layers upon layers of choirs, choruses, and orchestrations, Time I ended up being two great songs (“Sons of Winter and Stars” and “Time”) and three OK ones. But that was enough to keep appetites whet for its sequel. A sequel that never came… And still shows no sign of coming (except for the two random live performances). That’s why the title above doesn’t say Time II. Instead, we get a whole new album. One built around more talk, more delays, more anticipation, steamy saunas, and micro-hotel experiences. Welcome to the tangled forest that is Wintersun.

There’s so much shit that one could say about Jari Mäenpää’s latest opus (and the opus that has yet to come). So much that it’s about as annoying and clickbait-y as a situation can be. Thankfully, for all involved, I don’t give two fucks about Jari, his “legacy,” his feud with Nuclear Blast, his crowdfunding, his saunas, his make–up sex with Nuclear Blast, his Time I‘s, his Time II‘s, or any of the stinking shit surrounding this album. I enjoyed Wintersun, I liked Time I, and don’t hate this new one. I know many of you are already disappointed that the Almighty Angry Metal Guy isn’t here, giving his two cents on Jari’s newest release. Sorry, life happens and work gets in the way a lot around here. Though I can’t speak for the boss, I’m pretty sure he’s as sick and tired of reading all the annoying press surrounding this album as I am. So, do what you can to ignore all the horseshit and the idiotic things said about this record, and let’s just take it one track at a time.

If you’re unable to get passed the stifling smell of feces surrounding The Forest Package—I mean The Forest Seasons—don’t fret. You only need to bear with me for four songs (and a thousand words). The Forest Seasons‘ concept focuses on (spoiler alert!) the four seasons. And contains just as many songs—all ranging from twelve–to–fourteen minutes in length. The spring season, “Awaken from the Dark Slumber (Spring),” opens the record and instantly reminds me of the more bombastic moments of Time I. It’s got the heavy orchestration befitting “Sons of Winter and Stars” and a chorus to match. Though longer, yet with fewer repetitions of its chorus, this spring song just doesn’t have the same impact as “Sons of Winter and Stars.” And it’s really only the back-half that has any real memorability. Just the same, there are ascensions, descensions, orchestrations, dark rasps, beautiful cleans, and even some Dimmu Borgir-like sinisterness. All the stuff (most) fans will adore.

Then summer arrives, bringing even greater heat than spring. Opening with some oriental flavorings from Time, this one has a greater catchiness and loads of melody. After building up to a booming chorus (which does repeat itself many times), it dies—beginning its climb once more. After reusing the opening atmosphere, the song explodes into a stronger rendition of the main, melodic riff—with an energy that brings to mind ArsisA Diamond for Disease. After swinging back around to the chorus (this time, comprised of a gigantic choir), the song gives you all its got. Though “The Forest That Weeps (Summer)” is the shortest of all the tracks, it’s definitely the most epic.

But, as far as epicness goes, “Loneliness (Winter)” ain’t far behind. While the summer season may have its heat-searing rasps, barks, and stomping riffs, the winter has a mood befitting its climate. “Loneliness” is as cold as Jari has ever been. After opening with a sad, melodic intro (that sounds like a Christmas carol played at a funeral), the orchestration sets out to melodeath us all. Clean vocals arrive, taking the more depressing moments from Green Carnation and Jarifying them. At thirteen minutes, you can expect a lot of ups–and–downs, but the pace and emotion never speed up and never allow light to pierce its frozen shell. Like winter, this track is cold, dark, bleak, and beautiful.

But autumn doesn’t cut it. While the dark atmospheres, haunting choirs, sinister vibes, and black-metalish drum and guitar attacks of “Eternal Darkness (Autumn)” don’t turn me off, this just tries to hard. Meaning that it feels forced. Which is a shame, considering that you have to put up with it for fourteen long minutes. After staying with it (and more of its odd Dimmu Borgir keys and growls) for a couple minutes, I continue to zone out. That’s until the acoustic guitars arrive around the 10:00 mark. After this, the builds begin to make sense and the vibe begins to settle in. But, then, it’s gone forever, as the song shuts down just when it gets good.

If you’ve ever kept a detailed scorecard for a nineteen-inning baseball game, you know how hard it is to pull yourself away from the hours of stats to see the final score. In the case of The Forest Seasons—the win concluded with one run. Not a walk-off hit or walk-off home run. Instead, the win came on a bases-loaded walk. Like Time I before it, two songs stick out and the rest don’t. The shorter summer and winter tracks have the greatest impact, while the longer, more involved, autumn and spring don’t. All the impressiveness of writing, editing, and mixing such a massive album are here (much like they were on Time I). But, unfortunately, after all the hype, this new outing lands on the same playing field as Time I. Not a bad thing, but it’s just not worthy of all the hype. And for those fans that were hoping for Time II, I suspect this will either disappoint or flat-out piss them off.

Rating: 2.5/5.0
DR: 7 | Format Reviewed: 128 kbps mp3
Label: Nuclear Blast Records
Websites: facebook.com/wintersun
Releases Worldwide: July 21st, 2017

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  • Goldicot

    I didn’t expect to be listening to A Diamond For Disease because I read a Wintersun review, but the day is far better for it.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      Love that little record.

    • Seriously, I just did the same! I fucking LOVE A Diamond for Disease!

    • Shrümpelstiltskin

      Hey I remember seeing Wintersun and Arsis on the same tour together a couple years back. Good times, good times….

      • Dr. Wvrm

        With Fleshgod too, yea? That’s probably the best show I’ve ever been to.

        • Shrümpelstiltskin

          Yeah dude. Fleshgod was the highlight of the show in my opinion.

          • basstard

            Ha ha no way, they are a sloppy mess live. Wintersun destroyed them.

          • Shrümpelstiltskin

            Ooh we went to two very different shows. Wintersun disappointed me actually.

          • metalhead

            that’s just wrong… lmao fleshgod rocked my ass off when I saw them live in the king tour

    • Grymm

      That song never ceases to floor me.

  • Morbidly Obese Angel

    I’m actually in awe that so many people coughed up 50 euros for this…

    • basstard

      Still cant believe that. You had to know it was going to be a bit disappointing. He’ll never top the debut.

    • Danny

      To be fair, it came in a package with some other cool stuff. If you are new to Wintersun, 50 euros for high-quality copies of their whole catalog isn’t bad. Of course, hard to imagine someone new to the band wanting to drop that much on it, but from some perspective you got your money’s worth.

  • Eldritch Elitist

    I had bargain-bin level expectations for this, but I heard “Spring” this morning and actually quite like it, certainly more than anything on Time I, which continues to disappoint me to this day.

    But holy FUCK Jari, you hack fraud, your vocals are mixed way too goddamn high. I get enough of your voice in your stupid Facebook hype videos, I don’t need it smothering what is otherwise pretty good music.

  • Drew Music

    Damn, doc, I love it when you talk angry. I don’t actually plan to check this out, myself – I know Wintersun’s work, I don’t love it – but this review was seriously fun to read.

  • TheCurlyMetalhead

    I agree, the forced hype didnt pay off at least for me, I have a feel that Jari and Co. think they re the best goddamn musicians on the planet and their rabid fanbase is helping them with ego boosting. The record is eh, nothing too flashy or creative, its generic and forgetable at times…Its typical Wintersun, production isnt that good as they said it would be. Overall, a meh out of 5 :D glad Im not the only with this opinion. Saw some reviews throwing 9s and 10s out of 10s around.

  • wayne the devil

    I didn’t like it. The vocal level in the mix is at Justin Bieber level as mentioned earlier. The songs are not constructed dynamically enough to merit the gargantuan run time….ect ect 1.5 for me. A rather epic disappointment.

  • Abdo Abdulla

    Format Reviewed: 128 kbps

    This is why you shouldn’t make any reviews, in this format you wont listen to a lot of details in the song, get a decent speaker and listen to Awaken from the Dark slumber in flac format with high volume

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      If only I could get a promo from a label that was a FLAC. But I can’t.

    • GardensTale


    • Nukenado

      True, but that would require labels to give a shit.

    • Grymm

      We get what the labels give us.

  • Absolomb

    That band photo is quite cringe worthy. Like if someone put random filters on top of the faces with Photoshop

    • Nukenado

      It deserves four unicorns.

      • wayne the devil

        -or maybe a single Jack ass with a oversized horn?

        • Nukenado

          And call it El Niño?

          • wayne the devil

            Sounds good. Now if we can just get the fans to pay…..

      • Mollusc

        Oh it’s four different guys. Couldn’t tell.

        • Absolomb

          Yeah, it’s definitely not easy. I kept thinking they left someone out and Spring and Autumn were the same person.

    • Dr. Wvrm

      They also fucked with season order just so Jari could both be winter and be on top.

      • Juan Manuel Pinto Guerra

        The season order seems to be OK if you go clockwise. Also, you can start anywhere, it’s a never ending cycle.

      • Absolomb

        Yeah, I kind of think Jari has a Jari doll stuck up his own ass.
        He’s a great musician all around but I bet he thinks he’s even better.

    • Cherd

      I’m pretty sure Winter is an albino Klingon. Don’t know what’s going on with those other guys.

    • Frost15

      It looks good to me, not cringy at all. Related to the theme of the album.

      • Absolomb

        The idea is great, it goes with the concept.
        The execution on the other hand, quite bad imho.

    • Thatguy

      I’ve been out and about and missed my chance here. It’s bit sad isn’t it?

    • Tofu muncher

      it would be interesting to see the band photo if they were from tropical country which has only two seasons: Wet and Dry.

  • brutal_sushi

    Wow. I thought this record was fucking great. I felt each song had its own fell. And I fucking LOVED Eternal Darkness (Autumn), I thought it was a straight up epic black metal tune. The only track that didn’t hit it off for me, was Spring. But after a couple of jams today I started to dig it. I also don’t mind Jari’s vocals so up front. I guess I’m a mark for this shit.

  • Maksym Nikitin

    Sounds about right

  • El Lado Oscuro

    The record is pompous, over produced and eventually boring. What a waste of great musiciancs

  • I agree with the review, great write up! The score feels justified to me – a 50%, as 50% of the record kicks ass. The first two tracks are exactly what I was hoping for. Spring/Summer are up there with the best of the Wintersun material. Winter/Autumn don’t do a damn thing for me. It’s nice to have some new songs from them, but definitely not worth the excruciating bullshit hype headache every album of theirs brings. I’m hoping their next crowdfunding package is “Time II” though. It’s about… time…

    • IBlackened

      Unfortunately, it won’t be Time II unless they manage to build their studio before that.

  • mtlman1990

    The self-titled debut and Time 1 we’re both masterpieces. I know most people in here don’t get time 1 but it’s truly amazing This, on the other hand, is a mediocre piece of music put out solely to make money. He even marketed it to customer as such and they still bought it . As a whole the album is mediocre. The parts that are good are extremely good but there’s only about three of them. I’m just happy it’s out so I don’t have to see Jari’s crowdfunding campaign bullshit for a while. Also I listen to it in Flac, the mix is still garbage. The guitars are almost inaudible and Jari’s vocals are way too high in the mix. The decision to use a programmed drums was a bad one also

  • André Snyde Lopes

    Huh. I tend to agree with a lot of what is written in the review but I have to say, my experience with the record was much better. Perhaps it is due to the better file quality but everything sounds super crisp. I really like the last third of Autumn, where shit gets really serious and the riffs get crazy. Like you I found the songs stretch a bit too far with clear uncalled-for repetitions. I’d probably give this a 3.5, since I enjoyed it a lot.

    PS: I think giving the media shitfest its own paragraph was unnecessary. It was annoying, yeah but it really should’ve be more of a footnote rather than a whole shit-flinging paragraph.

    • Levly

      My words exactly, I agree with much of the review but still enjoy it more than the good doctor. The songs are too long, repetitive and you inevitably zone out, but somehow I keep going back to it and it has some truly great moments. 3 or 3.5 would be my score.

      Btw, I actually ordered the “Forest Package” mostly for the remastered versions of the first two records, and they sound great indeed, so I feel I got my money’s worth even if the price was a little high.

      • André Snyde Lopes

        Wintersun 2.0 is glorious. My only complaint with it is that the vocals are ever so slightly higher on the mix than I would prefer but it is a minor issue. I will probably never listen to the original again.

    • I totally agree on the “interim” sections between cool moments. They drag. Each song definitely could’ve capped out at 8-10 minutes and been just as effective. Also, I didn’t really notice this until my 3rd listen but – Where the hell are the solos? I counted 1, and it’s arguable.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      Thanks for the input.

    • Frost15

      I also think this deserved a 3.5 at least. It shocked me to see the poor reviews it’s getting everywhere.

  • thornh

    Time 1 was ok. I haven’t listened to the new album enough to make a final judgement but, obviously, it’s much more like Time 1 than the first self-titled album. It’s kind of ironic that the best two albums Jari has ever been part of are self titled (Ensiferum-Ensiferum being the other)! Maybe he should start a new band each time he does an album…
    When Jari left Ensiferum I was sure they would suffer the most from the departure but I was wrong. Jari is a masterful guitar wizard but sometimes I think he should stick to Youtube videos of himself jamming in his room. But he should wear pants next time.

  • I absolutely LOVE the last paragraph. I know exactly that feeling. I keep score every time I go to the games. I also remember, as a side note, a few years back (maybe 5, maybe 10) the Royals were on an epic losing streak of 18 or 19 games and one of the last losses they had led during the game but it ended in a walk-off walk and it just felt like they were destined to lose forever (in fact, I may be mis-remembering, but I think they also gave up a run in the ninth on a wild-pitch resulting in a runner scoring from third.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      I remember that!

      • Baseball and music. Music and baseball. They’re both so wonderful. An old friend and I used to try and figure out how albums were like baseball lineups, lead-off hitters being opening tracks etc. but it was a pretty flawed theory. We really thought we were onto something at the time but of course we were also really high.

        Also, I looked it up on baseball-reference, it was the 2005 Royals and it was a 19 game losing streak. It went from July 28th – August 19th, yikes! I haven’t found the specific game it was that I’m remembering and I’m at work so I need to stop searching before I’m fired.

        • Dr. A.N. Grier

          Haha let me know if you find it. That was an interesting stretch for that team.

  • Verdelet

    The song is called ‘Sons of Winter and Stars’, not ‘Songs of Winter and Stars’.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      Oops. Typo. Thanks.

  • Dr. Wvrm

    So in this scenario, Jari is Aroldis Chapman?

  • ricLP81

    This album is growing on me, the more I listen to it. I started with a 2.5 as well, but right now I’d give it a 3.5. Like several others here I agree that 128kbps is the wrong format for any kind of review… Not a problem specific to Wintersun.

    As for me, I started by hating spring and winter, but I enjoy them now. And the acoustic version is pretty nice too. I need to listen a few more times to see how long I’ll be enjoying this. Certainly not even close to their debut, but all in all a pleasant album.

    And Dr., as a big big fan, when you write you don’t give a shit about something, the opposite comes across. Just let the review speak for itself. You write great pieces! Either way with bands like Wintersun, there’s gonna be people that will think you went too high, and others that think you went too low.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      Yeah, I always care when I write something. I try to be mad or whatever about an album, but I end up dumping a lot of frustrated passion into it.

      • ricLP81

        I guess that’s why you write great pieces.

        I wonder if this album suffered a bit due to the concept of 4 musics/4 seasons. I do agree with you that certain sections are just a bit meh, and then the music rises again. I think cutting off some of the fluff would have lead to 4 really solid songs

        • Dr. A.N. Grier

          I agree. With some of the over-the-top stuff removed, this would have been really solid.

      • wayne the devil

        Frustrated passion=Metal music! Kudo’s on the write up! I forgot to mention so earliar.

  • Eli Valcik

    You need to slow your roll on the band photo Mi Habanero.

    • Drew Music

      That might just be the most pretentious, ego-blowing form of eye-rape I’ve been scarred by yet.

      • Eli Valcik

        Yeah I agree, and thats coming from two trve as fuck Black Metal fans.

  • Lucy Casey

    I give it a 4/5 personally, it’s not as good as the self titled but it’s better than Time 1.

    My first listen through I gave it a 3, this went up to a 4 with further listens and better audio equipment.

    The last track Loneliness is my favourite on the album by far, to me, loneliness makes the album for me.

    Good album none the less, it’d be loved more if it wasn’t so overhyped.

  • Angry Wintersun Guy

    After this review I suppose it will be 2.5 days of summer …
    After all, I fell in love with Autumn too.

    PS: those who have non-inflatable mates, will understand this absolutely bad joke

  • Ya pissin’ me off Doc! Dey made da best recordz of history in time! 5/5 to Wintersun. Sauna time!

  • basstard

    So far I enjoy it, its not blowing me away, I kept my expectations low and was prepared to be disappointed. Have only been able to digest the first two tracks though..

  • ArtifeX

    Where are the fuckin’ solos? Jari is a great player and no guitar solos in the album is a damn shame.

    • Sam

      Not sure what you’re talking about. There was one in Eternal Darkness.

      • David D.

        There’s also one during winter. Although I totally know what you mean. The debut was focused around soloing and tons and tons of melodies. This is definitely a different beast than the debut.

  • Mollusc

    Interesting read, thanks. I listened to Spring. Towards the end reminded me of Sabaton’s Carolus Rex. In general I thought the vocals quite good, but not sure why he’s all angry shouty if he’s happy it’s Spring and been reborn. Maybe having to die first is a bit annoying.
    There’s some cheesy keyboard sounds (plus acoustic instruments that sound like cheesy keyboards) and a lot of the time the rhythm and melody guitars are so buried they might as well have played the whole thing with casio keyboard and drum machine. The first 6 minutes at least anyway – might have made it more fun.
    But that’s not to say I won’t go back to it and try the rest of the album.

  • CaffeinatedHeadBanger
    • Grymm

      Well damn, son.

  • Jari tends to repeat same drum phrase in each part. It makes songs boring. Especially when it comes with slower tunes, catastrophically boring!

    And what is the annoying synths!

  • A Feed From Cloud Mountain

    But, you know, Jari needed an entire friggin’ studio to make this album happen.

  • Here’s Johnny

    I have only listened to it once, which is not enough to take in the scope of the whole album. One thing i did notice is how fast 54 mins of music went by, which is a very good sign.

    The instrumental(versions) tracks are fantastic too.

  • Here’s Johnny

    The more i listen to this album, the more i get the hype fans have for this band though. Forget just metal, it is great music period. Summer is epic indeed.

  • Meat Tornado

    I definitely find a lot to love on this record, and a lot in all the songs. I know the opposite was stated, but it really feels like Dr hasn’t been able to keep his feelings about the social media aspect, crowd funding, hype, etc from influencing his review entirely. But that’s just the feeling I got from this, and the heavy preface talking about all that stuff. I see a ton of merit in the record and I love it.

    • Dr. A.N. Grier

      You’re correct. The press and Jari’s bullshit messed with me a bit. Just the same, this album is only half good. Regardless if was Jari or not.

      But… I’m glad you’re liking it.

      • Meat Tornado

        I understand that sometimes band member politics can hinder the enjoyment of music (Burzum, Emperor, Immortal, etc for me) but i always think its still important to judge with that out of mind. But all the same, it doesnt make a difference if you just dont like it. I have listened maybe 8 times through, consecutively, and the whole thing is stuck on my mind. Maybe it will grow on you.

        • Dr. A.N. Grier

          I agree. I’m usually pretty unbiased when I approach albums, but I’m also still human. Honestly, there would have been a lot more shit written by some of the others writers.

          Unfortunately, I will never enjoy this album in its entirety. I still feel the same way about it as I’ve said in this review. And that will probably never change.

  • Me

    The artwork is glorious.

  • Hobbit

    I enjoyed the first two tracks as they were uppity (as spring and summer should be), but Eternal darkness does nothing for me. I felt that he embodied the essence of darkness perfectly well with Autumn, but stuck with that idea too far as to leave the track rather boring. I like somber tracks that Jari has written but only from his two previous releases. Winter has beautiful, sad melodies but I don’t feel really inspired when I listen to it. Overall I would just give this album a 4 -4.5 for quality but a 3 for listenability. I truly enjoy 50% of the album but hey, maybe after a few more listens I’ll start to get the second half.

  • yobazsavar

    whats wrong with you? this album is badass..

    • Grymm

      He has an opinion that’s different from yours and he shared it in a review?

  • DeadHead

    I demand a recount *warble warble warble.*

  • blindg

    Autumn is easily the worst track, especially first 6 minutes (after which you just lose interest)

  • lrn2swim

    Call me crazy, but I think this new album is freaking awesome, one of my favorite releases of the year so far. Also, the first Wintersun album is somehow my least favorite from them, although I do really enjoy it too. It think if people could just separate the drama surrounding the band and just listen to the album for what it is, it would get a much better reception. Just pretend it’s a new unheard of band and this is their debut. My guess is people would lose their shit over it. FWIW, I got into Wintersun when Time I came out.

    • David D.

      That’s exactly how I feel. heavy Blog is Heavy’s review was particularly harsh but I can imagine if it was from some band no one had heard of this and Time I would be as heralded as the debut. I’m finishing up my youtube review of this and trying to stay as far away as possible from the hype train and all the drama around the band.

  • Finally got the vinyl of this record. From a 3.0 to 3.5; the vocals aren’t so damn loud (maybe because I only use headphones for digital?) compared to digital and also… Loneliness (Winter) sounds fantastic.

  • Grymm

    I’ve tried to give this album, Jari, and Wintersun a fair shake, and I can’t.

    Ignoring Jari’s ego and histrionics for a second, Wintersun isn’t all that engaging. Out of all their songs, I only like “Time” and “Death and the Healing”, and even then I felt those two songs were overblown and overly long. And there is nothing on The Forest Seasons that’s gripping and engaging. At least not to the level of what Jari makes his music out to be, and definitely not at the level Unleash the Archers met earlier this summer, with less time AND money to utilize.

    And speaking of Jari, I have a major problem with someone who peddles their album as (paraphrasing, of course) “not quite as good as Time II… but you’ll buy it anyways”. We, as fans of the music, need to hold our favorite bands to tighter scrutiny.

  • Leonmed

    When riffs manage to pop out, its good times. Sophisticated music alright, but i end wishing for more straightforward attack like on 2004. Wintersun. Still, glad to have it in my library. BTW Symphonic metal recommendation: Ex Deo

  • [not a Dr]

    On bandcamp, for the standard version, the instrumental version and the acoustic winter version, they are including “the MASTER FILES (24-bit, 44,1kHz wav)
    It’s the first time I see someone advertising MASTER FILES…
    Can anyone tell me what’s the advantage over FLAC or any other lossless format?

    • tomasjacobi

      FLAC is lossless, so it’ll be the same as the WAV format. Master files is a meaningless term, but in this case it seems to be intended to indicate that the lossless versions (Bandcamp offers WAV, FLAC, ALAC AND AIFF) are 24-bit instead 16-bit.

      • [not a Dr]

        That would explain it. Thanks.
        I like it better than the alternative of this being a marketing scheme that consists of providing awesome looking jargon and numbers.

  • Tarik

    I read all the comments. I just wish there was a * before the name of the ones who paid 50 Euros for it and said something, you know just to be fair. I personally hated this album, loved Time 1 and didn’t listen the debut enough times. But to be honest, I think this crowdfunding was a scam and I was hating it to the point of unfollowing them from every social media.

  • Zrinko Maloseja

    Just a few words from a first time listener of Wintersun. This album is absolutely wonderful. Truly wonderful melodies, fantastic atmosphere and great vocals. I never heard any of their previous releases and I’ve just barely been exposed to the whole band drama that has been going around and came into this totaly without expectations and was pretty much blown away. There’s not so much originality here, just well crafted songs. It has sort of a 90s vibe to me… much like Moonsorrow does… I think I hear a bit of Shagrath and Dimmu Borgir from their golden age here and there. Anyways… highly recommended if you’ve never tried it :)

    P.S. The vinyl sounds great

  • Alexandre Barata

    Now, I come very late to the party, but, this being AMG, so does every RotM, ence I feel entitled to present my opinion on one of the most hyped metal albums of 2017.

    I listened now to this album twice (!!!) and everytime it stops I still stay there for 5 minutes before I realise it ended. There’s nothing remarkable about it, not a single part that hook you to it. Nothing that makes us want to listen to it another time, other than trying to understand what did we miss. As this is such a hyped album I still want to like it, and so I force myself to the torture of the noisy silence that defines its songwritting. The only thing worth mentioning is that, when Jari loses the pretention of playing whatever he wants this to be and just plays a bit faster, it can also grab your attention and there are a couple of nice riffs beneath the cockery. I’m sorry fans of Wintersun, I really loved the first album, mainly because it’s Jari doing what Jari knows: playing ultrafast, supermelodic guitar, but this, this isn’t even bad enough to become memorable. It’s just a glass of water when you’re not thirsty: it won’t kill you, but it’s nothing pleasurable.

    Sorry for the long rant, but this album and that Jari can make life so unnervingly disappointing.

  • symmetry_of_illusion

    I agree with most of this article, it was at best mediocre. There is no spirit within causing the entire thing to feel alive. Most of this album just fell flat. I wouldn’t even compare it to Time I because Time I had at least fulfilled part of its promise. It was a bit too synth heavy in my opinion, sure it was a grandiose album, but at least it was a fairly *good* recording, keeping in mind some of that anthemic zeal that we recognize and expect from Wintersun, regardless of how they choose to format it.

    I must add (even though this part was not stated) with many others who undertand that this was such a shit way to record an album. As I have said elsewhere, you know, I need a “headquarters” too. I myself have actually been trying to create an album for over ten years, and every obstacle has gotten in my way. I myself became quite ill during the process, and yes I almost died as well, it has been an epic tragedy. Does that stop me from pursuing all of this myself? Does it make me cry to other people to bail me out? Start my own crowd-funding page “please pour money into the symmetry of illusion fund! You get the bonus of my wonderful album!” No, never. I don’t even have a label backing me, it’s just me myself and I, choosing to fight the hands of time. My vision is also incredible, but I will create this by myself, I will never allow pettiness to dictate my actions. I think it is a shame Wintersun has fallen into such a trap. RIP Wintersun…